[why2025-terrain] [Projectleiding] [Productiehuis] HOLD YOUR HORSES 3 or 4 stages?
mlombaers at freedom.nl
mlombaers at freedom.nl
Fri Jun 13 12:36:48 CEST 2025
Hey Jeroen,
I can’t tell where it went wrong either as both Bix and me were not aware of this. Maybe because a lot of spots on the terrain map were first only labeled as “track” without a clear function nor a (for us) logical sequence to it. I only found out when I noted the (requested) names.
As you state this will be an open stretch tent I was also puzzled by the drawing ("tent_Internals.pdf”) that didn’t show what type of tent will be used. I also went through the tentboek collecthtion but that didn’t help either.
So please enlighten me: What are the exact dimensions of this tent so we can inform Spykersound on the additional equipment needed. My first guess is that the extra costs will be within the €16k range (pending additional information). And we might need to add a small pagode tent for the audio/video control.
We also need to inform NUTS to add an extra 3x 16A point to this spot.
I hope we can resolve this soon.
Mack
> On 12 Jun 2025, at 11:20, <jeroen at ifcat.org> <jeroen at ifcat.org> wrote:
>
> Michiel,
>
> I don’t know where this went wrong but there has not been a 4th stage added, that 4th stage has always been there from the beginning.
> SHA and MCH had 3 large stages and on request of Content we moved to 4 medium sized stages of which one is an open air stretch tent.
>
> The 4th stage was absolutely not added because the Spielegtent was discontinued, that was a 5th stage that Milliways requested to run
> their own sub programme, that has been discontinued.
>
> It is unfortunate that this was missed and we would like to know what this means for the Productiehuis budget if this 4th stage
>
> Jeroen
>
>
> From: Projectleiding <projectleiding-bounces at lists.ifcat.org> On Behalf Of mlombaers--- via Projectleiding
> Sent: woensdag 11 juni 2025 17:35
> To: Boekenwuurm <boekenwuurm at why2025.org>
> Cc: terrain <terrain at lists.mch2022.org>; productiehuis <productiehuis at lists.mch2022.org>; Projectleiding <projectleiding at lists.ifcat.org>; Manduca <manduca at why2025.org>; content <content at lists.ifcat.org>
> Subject: Re: [Projectleiding] [Productiehuis] HOLD YOUR HORSES 3 or 4 stages?
>
> Hello y’all
>
> When I checked the tent layout I saw that there has been a 4th stage added. What’s the part of this stage in the program? Because with the discontinuation of the “spiegeltent” for Milliways Productiehuis has requested an offer for 3 main stages from Spykersound, not 4. Please enlighten us as this means that we might need to reconfigure our material and request extra sets of AV and C3VOC material.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mack
>
>
>> On 9 Jun 2025, at 15:34, Boekenwuurm via Productiehuis <productiehuis at lists.why2025.org <mailto:productiehuis at lists.why2025.org>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Team:Terrain has made drawings of the insides f the tracks, with chairs estimations:
>>
>> Track A:1083,Track B: 612, Track C: 192, Track D: 224
>> 4 tables for technical work in tents?
>>
>> For the workshop tents, 3 workshops, with 6x4 tables, and 4 chairs a table (MCH photo based, it looks very covid compatible and sparce, so doubled the chairs so both side of tables can be used)
>>
>> so that gives a total of
>> 2111 chairs for the tracks
>> 4 tables for tracks
>> 72 tables for workshops
>> 288 chairs for workshops
>>
>> Team:productiehuis, do you have current dimensions for the stages?
>>
>> Based on these numbers, I suspect the stages where a catch all post for tables and chairs last time. Last time, there was a shortage, are we shure we don't need a buffer this time?
>> But maybe then we should put it under buffer, so the next time will be easier to see what it was used for.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Boekenwuurm
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 2025-06-05 at 20:59 +0200, jeroen at ifcat.org <mailto:jeroen at ifcat.org> wrote:
>>> All,
>>>
>>> At SHA and MCH team terrain made detailed drawings of the layout of the tents, the firelanes in the tents, where Fire extingishers needed to go etc.
>>> Based on the available floorspace the chairs where calculated.
>>>
>>> We could make a rough calculation of total floorspace of the MCH track tents & workshop tents and to de same for WHY.
>>> Apply that ratio to number of chairs at MCH and calculate the number of chairs for WHY ?
>>>
>>> 3500 seems overkill and as each chair costs a small amount of E having a reasonably accurate number to avoid waste of EEE seems sensible.
>>>
>>> Jeroen
>>>
>>> From: Projectleiding <projectleiding-bounces at lists.ifcat.org <mailto:projectleiding-bounces at lists.ifcat.org>> On Behalf Of boekenwuurm via Projectleiding
>>> Sent: donderdag 5 juni 2025 14:16
>>> To: Manduca <manduca at why2025.org <mailto:manduca at why2025.org>>; Boekenwuurm <boekenwuurm at why2025.org <mailto:boekenwuurm at why2025.org>>
>>> Cc: terrain <terrain at lists.mch2022.org <mailto:terrain at lists.mch2022.org>>; productiehuis <productiehuis at lists.mch2022.org <mailto:productiehuis at lists.mch2022.org>>; Projectleiding <projectleiding at lists.ifcat.org <mailto:projectleiding at lists.ifcat.org>>; content <content at lists.ifcat.org <mailto:content at lists.ifcat.org>>
>>> Subject: Re: [Projectleiding] chairs and tables workshop area and lecture tents
>>>
>>>
>>> About the same as 3400 chairs for 3200 visitors at mch :)
>>>
>>>
>>> Van: Manduca <manduca at why2025.org <mailto:manduca at why2025.org>>
>>> verzonden: donderdag 5 juni 2025 14:06
>>> Aan: Boekenwuurm
>>> Cc: content; terrain; Projectleiding; productiehuis
>>> Onderwerp: Re: [Projectleiding] chairs and tables workshop area and lecture tents
>>>
>>> I’ve no opinion on this. Although more then 3500 chairs for a total of 3500 visitors seems superfluous…..
>>>
>>> > On 5 Jun 2025, at 13:49, Boekenwuurm <boekenwuurm at why2025.org <mailto:boekenwuurm at why2025.org>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Small mistake, there were 3 workshops at MCH, too. That changes the
>>> > numbers to:
>>> >
>>> > 120 dinnertables
>>> > 3967 chairs
>>> > 16 fencing
>>> >
>>> > That feels more reasonable, somehow?
>>> >
>>> > Kind regards,
>>> > Boekenwuurm
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> On Thu, 2025-06-05 at 11:22 +0200, Boekenwuurm via Projectleiding
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> Hi!
>>> >>
>>> >> As it seems nobody feels responsible of the chairs in the track
>>> >> tents,
>>> >> so I ask all of you to check with me to get to sensible numbers
>>> >> before
>>> >> the 15, when the boels order list closes.
>>> >>
>>> >> Last time, there was this:
>>> >> v 20590 3400 Stoel Cuba
>>> >> v 20503 65 Dinertafel 180x76
>>> >> v 20578 55 Dinertafel 200x100
>>> >> v 13086 12 Event fencing open
>>> >>
>>> >> for 3 stages and 2 workshops.
>>> >>
>>> >> We now have 4 stages and 3 workshops. My estimates:
>>> >>
>>> >> 180 dinnertables
>>> >> 4760 chairs
>>> >> 16 fencing
>>> >>
>>> >> This is a estimate pure on basis of the amount of tents, not based on
>>> >> size. I have not looked into the type of tables or chairs.
>>> >>
>>> >> Please let me know what you think of these estimates, and I welcome
>>> >> help in beter estimates how much of these tables and chairs should go
>>> >> to witch stage/workshop.
>>> >>
>>> >> Kind regards,
>>> >> Christel
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